...holy hell
So, remember how I posted this?

The girl has continued to argue with me.

And while I have kept it private on buzznet, I'm not keeping it private here. I won't name names...but yeah. It's...yeah.

HER RESPONSE TO MY LAST RESPONSE:

Yes to everything bar the drivers licence, though getting a passport was a hassle. i may be 16, but ive been through alot more then any normal 16 year old. im not proud of it either, but i wouldnt change it, its made me who i am. i could also note that i do psychology as a subject.
And my 'therapist' (turn that into two words) was one of my abusers, so i dont go then anymore.
I have enough 'life experience' to last me a while and i still defend Edward. I do agree that he's an egomaniacle bastard, im not blind enough not to note that, and that he does have a flaw of going to extreams, but i still dont believe that he's abusive.
How much and of which of the books have you read exactly?

MY RESPONSE TO THIS:

First of all, please. Spell check. It is very VERY difficult for me to take your argument seriously when it look so childish. I don't care if you use grammar check or not, but spelling would really help you not look like...well, a petty teenager yelling at me for not liking a series of books.

I have read the entire series and I'm sorry, I can't see Edward as anything other than emotionally abusive towards her. We're not talking about flaws, flaws are one thing. We are talking about being able to go down a checklist of
symptoms/evidence of an emotionally abusive relationship and being able to check off over half of them in reference to Edward Cullen. I don't think he means to be that way towards Bella, I just think it's how he is, it's his personality.

The problem is, Bella not only accepts it, but seems to revel in the fact that once she has Edward she doesn't need anything other than being his and being with him forever. She has no ambition past him, he is her WORLD. And THAT'S a problem.

I have a feeling we are not going to see anywhere NEAR eye to eye on this. Considering you seem to think I'm mentally deficient for not liking Meyer's weak writing (and yes, I do mean weak. There's nothing wrong with enjoying her books, but you have to see them for what they are. She is a mediocre writer who wrote a series that a lot of people enjoy. Rowling is the same way, and please note I'm a huge Harry Potter fan. Liking an author but seeing their flaws is not a crime or a sin...it's just truth) and I'm pretty sure you have only come to this site to harass me and others about our opinions.

Also, I'm going to add again: there was a disclaimer on that post. If you and your friends from your message board (if you came from where I think you came from) can continue to think I'm a moronic feminist, but I'm going to sort of roll my eyes at your inability to follow simple suggestions and directions.

HER RESPONSE (bolding is mine):

You've gone so low as to get at my typing when your own isnt that much better? You must be scraping the bottom of the barrel.

Edwards personality is to over-react to simple situations and go to extreams, but im yet to see how that makes him abusive. If you have actually managed to read Eclipse then you should have noted that about half way through the book he changes his act and begins to trust Bella,
also, as much as i like jacob, werewolves are violate and there is a dangerous vampire out to rip Bella to shreads. If i had a partner whos best friend could kill them if they lost their temper and who had a dangerous creature out after them, i'd be the teeniest bit prone to overprotectiveness too.
As for Bella thinking that Edward is her world, i cant see her point and empathise with her. If you cant then i dont see why you should go and judge that other people are having problems if they can.
As for us two seeing eye to eye, i dont think that we will either, but that isnt going to stop either of us trying to sho wthe other our point now, is it? I have read alot more then most adults have and i have never come across anything NEAR stephenie meyers writings (the closest is Anne Bishop) and i have not just came to this site to harass poeple, im not quite that stupid, and everyone has a right to opinions. (For the record im not a huge harry potter fan, she lost me at the fifth book when she killed of serius)
And what message board do you think i come from exactly becaus ethe place that i come from doesnt think that youre a "moronic feminist" as much as we just think that you and the popele who post on your topic are yet to come up with any valid points that cannot be explained either from the book, stephenies website or normal outside world reasoning.

MY RESPONSE THAT SHE HAS NOT YET READ:

1) I can find the "Shift" key and understand how to use spellcheck. And yes, my typing is better than yours.
2) Once again, I can understand what happens when you make another person your world. BECAUSE I HAVE BEEN THERE. Are you not getting that my experiences with abuse were EXACTLY LIKE BELLA'S SITUATION WITH EDWARD? AND THAT IF YOU GO OVER CHECKLISTS OF WHAT CONSTITUTES EMOTIONAL ABUSE, YOU CAN CHECK OFF AT LEAST 3/4'S OF THEM IN REFERENCE TO BELLA AND EDWARD'S RELATIONSHIP? I can't empathize with Bella because when you decide at 16 years old that your entire world needs to revolve around one man you've known for less than 6 months? It's alarming and frankly ridiculous.
3) WHAT THE HELL DO YOU MEAN YOU HAVEN'T SEEN US OFFER UP EXPLANATIONS? Look, just because an author says "He's not abusive" doesn't mean you can't read it as abusive. John Lennon said "Lucy in the Sky with Diamonds" isn't about an LSD trip, doesn't mean people don't still read that in. There's a theory called "Death of the Author" which means once an author has put their writing out there for public consumption, they cannot tell people that their reads of the novel are right or wrong, because they are "dead." They've had their chance to put their word out there and while they can comment on the text, what's more important is the readers individual interpretations of a book.
4) You can honestly tell me you think Meyer's prose is stronger than most writers? I don't doubt that you've read a lot, I was well read as a teenager as well, I'm doubting your ability to be objective in your judgments. You like the stories she tells, that DOESN'T MEAN SHE'S A GOOD WRITER.
5) I really don't see why everyone assumes I think Jacob is better for Bella. I think what's better for Bella is moving out on her own for awhile, living her life, and if she's still in love with Edward when she's older, then marrying him and being with him forever. I'm 25. I know people who got married right out of high school who are still with the people they were dating then or who got married right out of high school and are very happy. But most people I know aren't with the person they were with in high school...or who married someone right out of high school and later discovered things weren't working out.
Once again, pulling from personal experience: I was 19 when I got engaged. Years older than Bella. And I was still too young to understand what that meant, I hadn't lived enough to understand what all is out there. While Bella's life has been in danger many times that doesn't mean she knows herself or knows who she really is.
I will say this: in a real world situation, not surrounded by the magical powers of an author to say "And they lived happily ever after" which all authors have and many exercise for better or for worse, I wouldn't see Bella and Edward working out...or I'd see her losing too much of herself in order to be with someone she met as a teenager.

Also, I will mention something else a friend of mine has pointed out: the language being used by yourself and other rabid Edward defenders is almost exactly what victims of abuse will say to defend their abuser. "He loves her! You don't understand her! You can't see how he really is with her!"

And once again, there are many fans of the book who either agreed with me or at least said that while they didn't see my read of it they could understand having a different read of the book. My problem with what you said was that you insisted anyone who didn't like the book was an idiot and that anyone who got anything other than what you got out of the book was reading it wrong.

I may have done something similar in my rant, but that was why I added the disclaimer. You and the others who were so offended choose to read my ranting and respond to it, without seeming to care if you insulted me. Just like I read the Twilight books, was insulted at the portrayal of women in it (which I do not think was intended, I don't think Edward was meant to be written as abusive. I think that Stephenie believes she wrote him as a gentleman...but trust me when I say I am not alone in my theories on Edward. Other people, both people who have studied writing and literature and people who haven't have agreed with me. You might not. The only thing I ask is for you to accept people will not like a book that you like and, while I don't expect this from you, I would appreciate an apology to the people you called idiots in your comment).

This will be the last time I reply to one of your comments. I am somewhat tired of offering up logic and being told that I'm wrong and being clearly insulted when I have tried to keep this private debate between us civil. You have officially tried my patience.

I wish you luck in life and hope that you can address whatever problems/issues life has caused you.

I expect a response along the lines of "YOU'RE NOT REPLYING AGAIN BECAUSE I'M RIGHT!!!!"

Only typed badly.

I know it would be a waste of my time to type up a term-paper style defense of my position. Because people like this girl would still claim I have not offered up any "evidence" that Edward is abusive.

Hi. My name is Ashly. I fear for the motherfucking future.