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newageamazon ([info]newageamazon) wrote,
@ 2008-02-16 00:04:00

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And it CONTINUES
More in response to the Twilight rant.

My message to her:

Um, hi. Just wanted to reply to your comment in my Twilight blog without starting another mess in the comments.

First off, there was no need to call anyone an "idiot" for not liking a series of books. And I was hardly "abusing" anything with that rant.

Secondly? You ask me to do research about abusive relationships? I have. Mostly because I was IN one. Many of Edward's actions (cutting Bella off from her friends, directing what she can and can't do "for her own good" and especially the incident where he locks her in the house) are TEXTBOOK emotional abuse. He never hits her. He doesn't have to.

There is a huge difference between being a gentleman and being an abusive, controlling jerk. Edward crosses that line many times in the series.

I suggest YOU do some research about the difference between abuse and romance, because it's more dangerous to confuse them the way you have. I say this because I did at one point and am still dealing with the psychological fall out.

If he really loved her he wouldn't treat her like property the way he does, he wouldn't treat her like a child even to protect her.

As for being "bitter" about being a better writer? Meyer IS a weak writer. Enjoying the books is not a problem, enjoy them all you want, be recognize the faults. Her writing is weak and Edward is hardly a catch.

I'm sure if you do reply you're going to tell me how wrong I am. But I'm going to end with this: if I need a better psychologist, it's all because of what my own "Edward" did to me. And I'm angry because I don't want to see girls like you or anyone else go through what I did all because they were condition by a society that accepts that kind of treatment of women.

HER RESPONSE TO ME:

It may be to your utter amazement, but you are not the only one who has been through abusive relationships and i am entirely capable of tell the diffrence.

As for you being and idiot, it is the way that you say things that pronounces that, not your actuall personality.

You might wat to read twilight with a bit more depth and a little less bias before you start deciding what is and isnt abusive, rather then just take it out on someone because you cannot handle you own feelings.

and you may want to do your research on Edward a little better too, because it is quite obvious that you have no idea of his reasoning. It really does show that much.

And stephenie is no where near a weak writer and i think that you may want to think about your emotions, because i bet that theyre green.

i have no intention of telling you how wrong you are because its hardly necessary to state obvious conclusions. Opinions are a bit more complicated to summerize.

Ive been through what you have in my own way and the gives me the same creadits as you hold above your head in my opinions, you may also want to think that through.

It may also be noted that Bella never did let Edward control her that that Edward did eventually get over his own bloody ego. Which even i'll admit is big.

I'd check over your bok of definitions, sugar.




OKAY, FUCK YOU MEYER. YOU FUCKING WIN. YOU HAVE PROVEN TO ME THAT YES, AN ENTIRE GENERATION OF WOMEN HAVE BEEN BROUGHT UP TO EXCUSE ABUSE BECAUSE THE GUY IS HANDSOME AND SAYS HE LOVES THEM WHEN IT'S ALL OVER. I'LL JUST BE BACK IN THE KITCHEN MAKING MY HUSBAND DINNER. YOU FUCKING BITCH.

EDIT: MY RESPONSE TO HER RESPONSE:

You've been over what I have in your own way?

Darling, you're 16 years old. Please come back and talk to me when you've:

-been in a relationship of 3 years
-been denied access to money you earned at your own job
-been isolated from your own family because your significant other doesn't like them...and they dislike him
-been forbidden from going out with friends without your significant other with you because s/he doesn't trust them
-been forbidden from expression [sic} your opinions because "You're thinking like a feminist."
-been trapped and denied the ability to procure a driver's license or state ID.

If you have gone through that at your young age, I'm sorry. But if you've gone through that and still defend Edward as none-abusive? Sweetie, YOU need the better therapist. Come back and talk to me when you've got some life experience and a degree.


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[info]randomsome1
2008-02-16 06:43 pm UTC (link)
I'd check her spelling. Sweet Christ. No wonder she thinks Meyer's a great writer.



Thoughts on the Twilight series versus Wuthering Heights in the vein of romanticizing a shitty relationship?

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[info]newageamazon
2008-02-16 08:07 pm UTC (link)
She's a 16 year old girl is the kicker.

Oh, and she also responded to someone else in my post who mentioned that they liked the books but agreed that Edward was abusive and that Bella's father was right to refuse to let her see him. This genius responded by calling her a moron and insisting she had higher reading comprehension skills than anyone.

I'm pretty sure it's the girl from the message board I linked you to who admitted to signing up and posting a response. If she continues, I'm going to the admins and telling them this girl has an account solely for the purpose of harassing me and another user over our opinions on a book...and has been using ad homen attacks rather than polite debate, which is REALLY pissing me off.

And I hadn't thought about that comparison. Mostly because I've avoided WH like the plague.

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[info]randomsome1
2008-02-16 08:26 pm UTC (link)
I wonder what'd happen if you subjected her to a good ol' college-level lit class.

There you go. Imagine Prudy unhinging her jaw and swallowing this kid's head whole.

A basic tenant of argument: If you can't elucidate your argument with reasons and point-by-point discussion, but instead must resort to attacks of the "You're jealous!" or "You're just a moron!" type, you fail. (Isn't there a jurisimprudence law for this?)


I liked Wuthering Heights better than Pride & Prejudice, but I was about 13 at the time and don't remember much of it at all. Other than that the relationship was FUBARed, of course.

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[info]newageamazon
2008-02-16 08:30 pm UTC (link)
That's what kills me about a lot of these people telling me I read the book wrong, or I'm reading too much into it. They then turn around and talk about majoring in Lit or Psychology and I LOL forever. If you can't handle me saying there is literary evidence for Edward as an abusive boyfriend, then do NOT let any professor get near work that is more psychologically challenging.

And yeah, I'm pretty sure there is, but this person thinks I called everyone who liked the book an idiot. When really my point was that if you read the books and idolized Edward Cullen? You're excusing an abusive relationship and yeah, I'm judging you pretty hardcore.

I stay away from that entire period of lit. No interest. I know the basic plot and that's why I'm over here and the book is over there...far, far away from me.

Did I ever e-mail you the text from the chapter Meyer transcribed from the dream she had that inspired the book? Dr. Curran would have a FIELD DAY with this woman.

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[info]randomsome1
2008-02-17 02:48 am UTC (link)
No. Did I send you to my rant on YA lit to the person seems to be telling me I'm saying all YA work needs to be PC and that if given my way I'd make everything have a good wholesome message? D: D:

I do believe they're interrogating my text from the wrong perspective.

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[info]newageamazon
2008-02-17 02:43 pm UTC (link)
...no, you didn't send me that rant. WTF? So asking for female characters that don't throw their life away at 16 for TRUE LOVE is demanding a wholesome message?

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[info]randomsome1
2008-02-17 05:17 pm UTC (link)
Or might kill the book for people. I coughed up a little fireball at them and they may have gotten back on track.

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